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The People v. Donald J. Trump


The criminal case against him is already in the works — and it could
go to trial sooner than you think.


<https://nymag.com/author/jeff-wise/>
Photo-Illustration: Joe Darrow/Photograph: MANDEL NGAN/AFP via Getty
Images (TRUMP); Hennepin County Sheriff’s Office via Getty Images
(jumpsuit)

The defendant looked uncomfortable as he stood to testify in the shabby
courtroom. Dressed in a dark suit and somber tie, he seemed aged,
dimmed, his posture noticeably stooped. The past year had been a massive
comedown for the 76-year-old former world leader. For decades, the
bombastic onetime showman had danced his way past scores of lawsuits and
blustered through a sprawl of scandals. Then he left office and was
indicted for tax fraud. As a packed courtroom looked on, he read from a
curled sheaf of papers. It seemed as though the once inconceivable was
on the verge of coming to pass: The country’s former leader would be
convicted and sent to a concrete cell.

The date was October 19, 2012. The man was Silvio Berlusconi, the
longtime prime minister of Italy.

Here in the United States, we have never yet witnessed such an event. No
commander-in-chief has been charged with a criminal offense, let alone
faced prison time. But if Donald Trump loses the election in November,
he will forfeit not only a sitting president’s presumptive immunity from
prosecution but also the levers of power he has aggressively co-opted
for his own protection. Considering the number of crimes he has
committed, the time span over which he has committed them, and the range
of jurisdictions in which his crimes have taken place, his potential
legal exposure is breathtaking. More than a dozen investigations are
already under way against him and his associates. Even if only one or
two of them result in criminal charges, the proceedings that follow will
make the O. J. Simpson trial look like an afternoon in traffic court.

It may seem unlikely that Trump will ever wind up in a criminal court.
His entire life, after all, is one long testament to the power of
getting away with things, a master class in criminality without
consequences, even before he added presidentiality and all its
privileges to his arsenal of defenses. As he himself once said, “When
you’re a star, they let you do it.” But for all his advantages and all
his enablers, including loyalists in the Justice Department and the
federal judiciary, Trump now faces a level of legal risk unlike anything
in his notoriously checkered past — and well beyond anything faced by
any previous president leaving office. To assess the odds that he will
end up on trial, and how the proceedings would unfold, I spoke with some
of the country’s top prosecutors, defense attorneys, and legal scholars.
For the past four years, they have been weighing the case against Trump:
the evidence already gathered, the witnesses prepared to testify, the
political and constitutional issues involved in prosecuting an
ex-president. Once he leaves office, they agree, there is good reason to
think Trump will face criminal charges. “It’s going to head toward
prosecution, and the litigation is going to be fierce,” says Bennett
Gershman, a professor of constitutional law at Pace Law School who
served for a decade as a New York State prosecutor.

**

Here, according to the legal experts, is how Trump could become the
first former president in American history to find himself on trial —
and perhaps even behind bars.

You might think, given all the crimes Trump has bragged about committing
during his time in office, that the primary path to prosecuting him
would involve the U.S. Justice Department. If Joe Biden is sworn in as
president in January, his attorney general will inherit a mountain of
criminal evidence against Trump accumulated by Robert Mueller and a host
of inspectors general and congressional oversight committees. If the
DOJ’s incoming leadership green-lights an investigation of Trump after
being briefed on any sensitive matters contained in the evidence,
federal prosecutors will move forward“at the fastest pace they can,”
says Mary McCord, the former acting assistant attorney general for
national security.

They’ll have plenty of potential charges to choose from. Both Mueller
and the Senate Intelligence Committee — a Republican-led panel — have
extensively documented how Trump committed obstruction of justice (18
U.S. Code § 73
<https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/***@title18/part1/chapter73&edition=prelim>),
lied to investigators (18 U.S. Code § 1001
<https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1001>), and conspired with
Russian intelligence to commit an offense against the United States (18
U.S. Code § 371 <https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371>). All
three crimes carry a maximum sentence of five years in prison — per
charge. According to legal experts, federal prosecutors could be ready
to indict Trump on one or more of these felonies as early as the first
quarter of 2021.

But prosecuting Trump for any crimes he committed as president would
face two significant and perhaps fatal hurdles. First, on his way out of
office, Trump could decide to preemptively pardon himself. “I wouldn’t
be surprised if he issues a broad, sweeping pardon for any U.S. citizen
who was a subject, a target, or a person of interest of the Mueller
investigation
<https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/robert-mueller-report-encyclopedia-reference.html>,”
says Norm Eisen, who served as counsel to House Democrats during Trump’s
impeachment. Since scholars are divided on whether a self-pardon would
be constitutional, what happens next would depend almost entirely on
which judge ruled on the issue. “One judge might say, ‘Sorry,
presidential pardons is something the Constitution grants exclusively to
the president, so I’m going to dismiss this,’ ” says Gershman. “Another
judge might say, ‘No, the president can’t pardon himself.’ ” Either way,
the case would almost certainly wind up getting litigated all the way to
the Supreme Court, perhaps more than once, causing a long delay.

Even if the courts ultimately ruled a self-pardon unconstitutional,
another big hurdle would remain: Trump’s claims that “executive
privilege” bars prosecutors from obtaining evidence of presidential
misconduct. The provision has traditionally been limited to shielding
discussions between presidents and their advisers from external
scrutiny. But Trump has attempted to expand the protection to include
pretty much anything that he or anyone in the executive branch has ever
done. William Consovoy, one of Trump’s lawyers, famously argued in
federal court that even if Trump gunned someone down in the street while
he was president, he could not be prosecuted for it while in office.
Although the courts have repeatedly ruled against such sweeping
arguments, Trump will continue to claim immunity from the judicial
process after he leaves office — a surefire delaying tactic. “If federal
charges were ever brought, it is unlikely that a trial would be
scheduled or start anytime in the foreseeable future,” says Timothy W.
Hoover, president of the New York State Association of Criminal Defense
Lawyers. By the time any federal charges come to trial, Trump is likely
to be either senile or dead. Even if he broke the law as president, the
experts agree, he may well get away with it.

*But federal charges aren’t the likeliest way* that /The People/ v.
/Donald J. Trump/ will play out. State laws aren’t subject to
presidential pardons, and they cover a host of crimes beyond those
committed in the White House. When it comes to charging a former
president, state attorneys general and county prosecutors can go places
a U.S. Attorney can’t.

According to legal experts, the man most likely to drag Trump into court
is the district attorney for Manhattan, Cyrus Vance  Jr. It’s a
surprising scenario, given Vance’s well-deserved reputation as someone
who has gone easy on the rich and famous. After taking office in 2010,
he sought to reduce Jeffrey Epstein’s status as a sex offender, dropped
an investigation into whether Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump  Jr. had
committed fraud in the marketing of the Trump Soho, and initially
decided not to prosecute Harvey Weinstein despite solid evidence of his
sex crimes. “He has a reputation for being particularly cautious when it
comes to going after rich people, because he knows that those are the
ones who can afford the really formidable law firms,” says Victoria
Bassetti, a fellow at the Brennan Center for Justice who served on the
team of lawyers that oversaw the Senate impeachment trial of Bill
Clinton. “And like most prosecutors, Vance is exceptionally protective
of his win-loss rate.”

But it was Vance who stepped up when the federal case against Trump
faltered. “He’s a politician,” observes Martin Sheil, a former IRS
criminal investigator. “He’s got his finger up. He knows which way the
wind’s blowing, and he knows the wind in New York is blowing against
Trump. It’s in his political interest to join that bandwagon.”

Last year, after U.S. Attorneys in the Southern District dropped their
investigation into the hush money that Trump had paid Stormy Daniels,
Vance took up the case. Suspecting that /l’affaire Stormy/ might prove
to be part of a larger pattern of shady dealings, his office started
digging into Trump’s finances. What Vance is investigating, according to
court filings, is evidence of “extensive and protracted criminal conduct
at the Trump Organization,” potentially involving bank fraud, tax fraud,
and insurance fraud. The New York /Times/
<https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html>
has detailed how Trump and his family have long falsified records to
avoid taxes, and during testimony before Congress in 2019, Trump’s
longtime fixer Michael Cohen stated that Trump had inflated the value of
his assets to obtain a bank loan.

Crucially, all of these alleged crimes occurred /before/ Trump took
office. That means no claims of executive privilege would apply to any
charges Vance might bring, and no presidential pardon could make them go
away. A whole slew of potential objections and delays would be ruled out
right off the bat. What’s more, the alleged offenses took place less
than six years ago, within the statute of limitation for fraud in New
York. Vance, in other words, is free to go after Trump not as a crooked
president but as a common crook who happened to get elected president.
And the fact that he has been pursuing these cases while Trump is
president is a sign that he won’t be intimidated by the stature of the
office after Trump leaves it.

In writing up an indictment against Trump, Vance’s team could try to
string together a laundry list of offenses in hopes of presenting an
overwhelming wall of guilt. But that approach, experts warn, can become
confusing. “A two- or three-count indictment is easier to explain to a
jury,” says Ilene Jaroslaw, a former assistant U.S. Attorney. “If they
think the person had criminal intent, it doesn’t matter if it’s two
counts or 20 counts, in most cases, because the sentence will be the same.”

There are two main charges that Vance is likely to pursue. The first is
falsifying business records (N.Y. Penal Law § 175.10
<https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/175.10>). During Cohen’s
trial, federal prosecutors filed a sentencing memorandum that explained
how the Trump Organization had mischaracterized hush-money payments as
“legal expenses” in its bookkeeping. Under New York law, falsifying
records by itself is only a misdemeanor, but if it results in the
commission of another crime, it becomes a felony. And false business
records frequently lead to another offense: tax fraud (N.Y. Tax Law §
1806 <https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/RPT/1806>).

If Trump cooked his books, observes Sheil, that false information would
essentially “flow into the tax returns.” The first crime begets the
second, making both the bookkeeper and the tax accountant liable. “Since
you have several folks involved,” Sheil says, “you could either bring a
conspiracy charge, maximum sentence five years, or you could charge each
individual with aiding and abetting the preparation of a false tax
return, with a max sentence of three years.”

To build a fraud case against Trump, Vance subpoenaed his financial
records. But those records alone won’t be enough: To secure a
conviction, Vance will need to convince a jury not only that Trump
cheated on his taxes but that he intended to do so. “If you just have
the documents, the defense will say that defendant didn’t have criminal
intent,” Jaroslaw explains. “I call it the ‘I’m an idiot’ defense: ‘I
made a mistake. I didn’t mean to do anything.’ ” Unfortunately for
Trump, both Cohen and his longtime accountant, Allen Weisselberg, have
already signaled their willingness to cooperate with prosecutors.
“What’s great about having an accountant in the witness stand is that
they can tell you about the conversation they had with the client,”
Jaroslaw says.

*Through appeals, Trump has managed* to drag out the battle over his tax
returns. The case has gone all the way to the Supreme Court, back down
to the district court, and back up to the appeals court. But Trump has
lost at every stage, and it appears that his appeals could be exhausted
this fall. Once Vance gets the tax returns, Eisen estimates, he could be
ready to indict Trump as early as the second quarter of 2021.

Sheil, for one, believes Vance may already have Trump’s financial
records. It’s routine procedure, he notes, for criminal tax
investigators working with the Manhattan DA to obtain personal and
business tax returns that are material to their inquiry. But issuing a
subpoena to Trump’s accountants may have been a way to signal to them
that they could face criminal charges themselves unless they cooperate
in the investigation.

Once indicted, Trump would be arraigned at New York Criminal Court, a
towering Art Deco building at 100 Centre Street. Since a former
president with a Secret Service detail can hardly slip away unnoticed,
he would likely not be required to post bail or forfeit his passport
while awaiting trial. His legal team, of course, would do everything it
could to draw out the proceedings. Filing appeals has always been just
another day at the office for Trump, who, by some estimates, has faced
more than 4,000 lawsuits during the course of his career. But this time,
his legal liability would extend to numerous other state and local
jurisdictions, which will also be building cases against him. “There’s
like 1,037 other things where, if anybody put what he did under a
microscope, they would probably find an enormous amount of financial
improprieties,” says Scott Shapiro, director of the Center for Law and
Philosophy at Yale University.

Even accounting for legal delays, many experts predict that Trump would
go to trial in Manhattan by 2023. The proceedings would take place at
the New York State Supreme Court Building. Assuming that the judge was
prepared for an endless barrage of motions and objections from Trump’s
defense team, the trial might move quite quickly — no longer than a few
months, according to some legal observers. And given the convictions
that have been handed down against many of Trump’s top advisers, there’s
reason to believe that even pro-Trump jurors can be persuaded to convict
him. “The evidence was overwhelming,” concluded one MAGA supporter who
served on the jury that convicted Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign
chairman. “I did not want [him] to be guilty. But he was, and no one is
above the law.”

Trump’s conviction would seal the greatest downfall in American politics
since Richard Nixon. Unlike his associates who were sentenced to prison
on federal charges, Trump would not be eligible for a presidential
pardon or commutation, even from himself. And while his lawyers would
file every appeal they can think of, none of it would spare Trump the
indignity of imprisonment. Unlike the federal court system, which often
allows prisoners to remain free during the appeals process, state courts
tend to waste no time in carrying out punishment. After someone is
sentenced in New York City, their next stop is Rikers Island. Once
there, as Trump awaited transfer to a state prison, the man who’d
treated the presidency like a piggy bank would receive yet another
handout at the public expense: a toothbrush and toothpaste, bedding, a
towel, and a green plastic cup.

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M I Wakefield
2020-10-03 16:57:24 UTC
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*Trump goes to jail after January, 2021 if he survives his Trump virus.*
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/donald-trump-criminal-case.html
Trump's legal problems in New York don't stop with Vance.

New York Attorney General Letitia James is dragging Eric Trump in on
Monday to testify about the Trump Organization in a civil matter.
BeamMeUpScotty
2020-10-03 17:16:40 UTC
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Post by unknown
*Trump goes to jail after January, 2021 if he survives his Trump virus.*
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/donald-trump-criminal-case.html
Trump's legal problems in New York don't stop with Vance.
New York Attorney General Letitia James is dragging Eric Trump in on
Monday to testify about the Trump Organization in a civil matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=36&v=UXA--dj2-CY&feature=emb_logo

Son of a bitch, NOT a smidgen of corruption...???
M I Wakefield
2020-10-03 17:30:13 UTC
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On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 13:16:40 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by M I Wakefield
Post by unknown
*Trump goes to jail after January, 2021 if he survives his Trump virus.*
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/donald-trump-criminal-case.html
Trump's legal problems in New York don't stop with Vance.
New York Attorney General Letitia James is dragging Eric Trump in on
Monday to testify about the Trump Organization in a civil matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=36&v=UXA--dj2-CY&feature=emb_logo
Son of a bitch, NOT a smidgen of corruption...???
Note that getting the corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor fired was a policy
objective of the US, the EU, and the IMF, among others.
BeamMeUpScotty
2020-10-03 17:42:21 UTC
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Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 13:16:40 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by M I Wakefield
Post by unknown
*Trump goes to jail after January, 2021 if he survives his Trump virus.*
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/donald-trump-criminal-case.html
Trump's legal problems in New York don't stop with Vance.
New York Attorney General Letitia James is dragging Eric Trump in on
Monday to testify about the Trump Organization in a civil matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=36&v=UXA--dj2-CY&feature=emb_logo
Son of a bitch, NOT a smidgen of corruption...???
Note that getting the corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor fired was a policy
objective of the US, the EU, and the IMF, among others.
U.S. policy covers Hunter Biden's ass?


That must be nice to have that kind of "special status".
--
That's karma


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=36&v=UXA--dj2-CY&feature=emb_logo

Son of a bitch, NOT a smidgen of corruption...???
M I Wakefield
2020-10-03 17:45:21 UTC
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Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 13:16:40 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by M I Wakefield
Post by unknown
*Trump goes to jail after January, 2021 if he survives his Trump virus.*
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/donald-trump-criminal-case.html
Trump's legal problems in New York don't stop with Vance.
New York Attorney General Letitia James is dragging Eric Trump in on
Monday to testify about the Trump Organization in a civil matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=36&v=UXA--dj2-CY&feature=emb_logo
Son of a bitch, NOT a smidgen of corruption...???
Note that getting the corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor fired was a policy
objective of the US, the EU, and the IMF, among others.
U.S. policy covers Hunter Biden's ass?
One of the complaints about the fired prosecutor was that he *wasn't*
investigating the company that had hired Hunter Biden.
Gronk
2020-10-10 04:33:24 UTC
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On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 13:42:21 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 13:16:40 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by M I Wakefield
Post by unknown
*Trump goes to jail after January, 2021 if he survives his Trump virus.*
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/donald-trump-criminal-case.html
Trump's legal problems in New York don't stop with Vance.
New York Attorney General Letitia James is dragging Eric Trump in on
Monday to testify about the Trump Organization in a civil matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=36&v=UXA--dj2-CY&feature=emb_logo
Son of a bitch, NOT a smidgen of corruption...???
Note that getting the corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor fired was a policy
objective of the US, the EU, and the IMF, among others.
U.S. policy covers Hunter Biden's ass?
One of the complaints about the fired prosecutor was that he *wasn't*
investigating the company that had hired Hunter Biden.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/bidens-anticorruption-effort-in-ukraine-overlapped-with-sons-work-in-country-11569189782

Joe Biden's involvement with Ukraine and his son's work in the country,
which President Trump has repeatedly said should be investigated, began
when the former vice president was serving as the Obama administration's
point man on relations with Ukraine and rooting out bureaucratic corruption.

Soon after Moscow invaded the country in 2014 and annexed its peninsula of
Crimea, Mr. Biden took a lead role in U.S. efforts to support the fragile
government in Kiev. He shuttled back and forth to the Ukrainian capital,
coordinating U.S. aid packages and cajoling the officials to enact reforms
even as the country fought off Russian-backed rebels in the country's east.

Mr. Biden had called for the ouster of Mr. Shokin because he and others
thought that the prosecutor wasn't aggressive enough.

The owner of Burisma, Mykola Zlochevsky, has been under the scrutiny of
prosecutors. A minister of natural resources until 2012, Mr. Zlochevsky
was accused of improperly granting gas extraction licenses to firms
affiliated with him, and at times was investigated for alleged abuse of
power, illegal enrichment and money laundering. Mr. Zlochevsky was never
convicted of any crimes and denied any wrongdoing. His lawyer also denied
that Mr. Zlochevsky ever benefited from his position in government.

Mr. Shokin had dragged his feet on those investigations, Western diplomats
said, and effectively squashed one in London by failing to cooperate with
U.K. authorities, who had frozen $23.5 million of Mr. Zlochevsky's assets.
unknown
2020-10-10 08:04:08 UTC
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Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 13:42:21 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 13:16:40 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by M I Wakefield
Post by unknown
*Trump goes to jail after January, 2021 if he survives his Trump virus.*
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/donald-trump-criminal-case.html
Trump's legal problems in New York don't stop with Vance.
New York Attorney General Letitia James is dragging Eric Trump in on
Monday to testify about the Trump Organization in a civil matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=36&v=UXA--dj2-CY&feature=emb_logo
Son of a bitch, NOT a smidgen of corruption...???
Note that getting the corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor fired was a policy
objective of the US, the EU, and the IMF, among others.
U.S. policy covers Hunter Biden's ass?
One of the complaints about the fired prosecutor was that he *wasn't*
investigating the company that had hired Hunter Biden.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/bidens-anticorruption-effort-in-ukraine-overlapped-with-sons-work-in-country-11569189782
Joe Biden's involvement with Ukraine and his son's work in the
country, which President Trump has repeatedly said should be
investigated, began when the former vice president was serving as the
Obama administration's point man on relations with Ukraine and rooting
out bureaucratic corruption.
Soon after Moscow invaded the country in 2014
No such thing.
Post by Gronk
and annexed its peninsula of Crimea,
Crimea voted to re-join Russia because Russia has natural gas and is a
democracy now.
M I Wakefield
2020-10-10 13:56:40 UTC
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Post by Gronk
https://www.wsj.com/articles/bidens-anticorruption-effort-in-ukraine-overlapped-with-sons-work-in-country-11569189782
Joe Biden's involvement with Ukraine and his son's work in the
country, which President Trump has repeatedly said should be
investigated, began when the former vice president was serving as the
Obama administration's point man on relations with Ukraine and rooting
out bureaucratic corruption.
Soon after Moscow invaded the country in 2014
Nice long cast from Gronk ...
Post by unknown
No such thing.
There's a nibble ...
Post by unknown
Post by Gronk
and annexed its peninsula of Crimea,
Gently ... gently ...
Post by unknown
Crimea voted to re-join Russia because Russia has natural gas and is a
democracy now.
Bang! On the hook! Looks like Gronk has landed a 280 lb Russian
troll ...
BeamMeUpScotty
2020-10-10 11:43:25 UTC
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Post by M I Wakefield
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Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by M I Wakefield
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Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by M I Wakefield
Post by unknown
*Trump goes to jail after January, 2021 if he survives his Trump virus.*
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/donald-trump-criminal-case.html
Trump's legal problems in New York don't stop with Vance.
New York Attorney General Letitia James is dragging Eric Trump in on
Monday to testify about the Trump Organization in a civil matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=36&v=UXA--dj2-CY&feature=emb_logo
Son of a bitch, NOT a smidgen of corruption...???
Note that getting the corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor fired was a policy
objective of the US, the EU, and the IMF, among others.
U.S. policy covers Hunter Biden's ass?
One of the complaints about the fired prosecutor was that he *wasn't*
investigating the company that had hired Hunter Biden.
What matters is that Biden and his son were involved and taking money
from the parties in a battle between corrupt officials and someone is
LYING... Which warrants an FBI RAID with a SWAT TEAM and CNN cameras and
for Biden and Hunter to do the Perp Walk in their underwear at fisrt
light in the morning, you know like they had done to Republicans.
Because in the United States those crimes where people COLLUDE with
Russians and Ukrainians that's what the FBI and the DOJ do, and they do
it equally.

They wouldn't skip that process just because they're Democrats, now
would they?
Post by Gronk
https://www.wsj.com/articles/bidens-anticorruption-effort-in-ukraine-overlapped-with-sons-work-in-country-11569189782
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=36&v=UXA--dj2-CY&feature=emb_logo

Son of a bitch, NOT a smidgen of corruption...???
Watch QUID PRO QUO Joe explain it. He clearly gave an option that
demanded action on the Ukrainians part, and as the Democrats said about
TRUMP, it's why he invoked that action that is the crime. This is all
about TRUMP having audacity to point out the Democrats crimes... no one
is supposed to do that. If they do the Democrats threaten to destroy
them and they will use their dirty government FBI agents and Prosecutors
to destroy them. It's happened enough now to have established a pattern
for the RICO ACT to be used to indict the dirty FBI and DOJ and
PROSECUTORS.... for organized crime and conspiracy.
Post by Gronk
Joe Biden's involvement with Ukraine and his son's work in the country,
which President Trump has repeatedly said should be investigated, began
when the former vice president was serving as the Obama administration's
point man on relations with Ukraine and rooting out bureaucratic corruption.
Soon after Moscow invaded the country in 2014 and annexed its peninsula
of Crimea, Mr. Biden took a lead role in U.S. efforts to support the
fragile government in Kiev. He shuttled back and forth to the Ukrainian
capital, coordinating U.S. aid packages and cajoling the officials to
enact reforms even as the country fought off Russian-backed rebels in
the country's east.
Mr. Biden had called for the ouster of Mr. Shokin because he and others
thought that the prosecutor wasn't aggressive enough.
The owner of Burisma, Mykola Zlochevsky, has been under the scrutiny of
prosecutors. A minister of natural resources until 2012, Mr. Zlochevsky
was accused of improperly granting gas extraction licenses to firms
affiliated with him, and at times was investigated for alleged abuse of
power, illegal enrichment and money laundering. Mr. Zlochevsky was never
convicted of any crimes and denied any wrongdoing. His lawyer also
denied that Mr. Zlochevsky ever benefited from his position in government.
Mr. Shokin had dragged his feet on those investigations, Western
diplomats said, and effectively squashed one in London by failing to
cooperate with U.K. authorities, who had frozen $23.5 million of Mr.
Zlochevsky's assets.
--
That's Karma


*Mama'says*
67 - What people won't say, is as telling as what they do say.
unknown
2020-10-10 11:52:36 UTC
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On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 13:42:21 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
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On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 13:16:40 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
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*Trump goes to jail after January, 2021 if he survives his Trump virus.*
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/donald-trump-criminal-case.html
Trump's legal problems in New York don't stop with Vance.
New York Attorney General Letitia James is dragging Eric Trump in on
Monday to testify about the Trump Organization in a civil matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=36&v=UXA--dj2-CY&feature=emb_logo
Son of a bitch, NOT a smidgen of corruption...???
Note that getting the corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor fired was a policy
objective of the US, the EU, and the IMF, among others.
U.S. policy covers Hunter Biden's ass?
One of the complaints about the fired prosecutor was that he *wasn't*
investigating the company that had hired Hunter Biden.
What matters is that Biden and his son were involved and taking money
from the parties in a battle between corrupt officials and someone is
LYING... Which warrants an FBI RAID with a SWAT TEAM and CNN cameras
and for Biden and Hunter to do the Perp Walk in their underwear at
fisrt light in the morning, you know like they had done to
Republicans. Because in the United States those crimes where people
COLLUDE with Russians and Ukrainians that's what the FBI and the DOJ
do, and they do it equally.
They wouldn't skip that process just because they're Democrats, now
would they?
Post by Gronk
https://www.wsj.com/articles/bidens-anticorruption-effort-in-ukraine-overlapped-with-sons-work-in-country-11569189782
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=36&v=UXA--dj2-CY&feature=emb_logo
Son of a bitch, NOT a smidgen of corruption...???
Watch QUID PRO QUO Joe explain it. He clearly gave an option that
demanded action on the Ukrainians part, and as the Democrats said
about TRUMP, it's why he invoked that action that is the crime. This
is all about TRUMP having audacity to point out the Democrats
crimes... no one is supposed to do that. If they do the Democrats
threaten to destroy them and they will use their dirty government FBI
agents and Prosecutors to destroy them. It's happened enough now to
have established a pattern for the RICO ACT to be used to indict the
dirty FBI and DOJ and PROSECUTORS.... for organized crime and conspiracy.
Joe Biden was misunderstood. The conversation was taken out of context.
I think you are smearing this good man. You ought to be ashamed of
yourself. Give me 10 Hail Mary and then shut the fuck up.

*Hail Mary, **
**Full of Grace, **
**The Lord is with thee. **
**Blessed art thou among women, **
**and blessed is the fruit**
**of thy womb, Jesus. **
**Holy Mary, **
**Mother of God, **
**pray for us sinners now, **
**and at the hour of our death.*

*Amen.*
Gronk
2020-10-16 04:30:26 UTC
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On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 13:42:21 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 13:16:40 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by M I Wakefield
Post by unknown
*Trump goes to jail after January, 2021 if he survives his Trump virus.*
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/donald-trump-criminal-case.html
Trump's legal problems in New York don't stop with Vance.
New York Attorney General Letitia James is dragging Eric Trump in on
Monday to testify about the Trump Organization in a civil matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=36&v=UXA--dj2-CY&feature=emb_logo
Son of a bitch, NOT a smidgen of corruption...???
Note that getting the corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor fired was a policy
objective of the US, the EU, and the IMF, among others.
U.S. policy covers Hunter Biden's ass?
One of the complaints about the fired prosecutor was that he *wasn't*
investigating the company that had hired Hunter Biden.
What matters is that Biden and his son were involved and taking money from
the parties in a battle between corrupt officials and someone is LYING...
That would be #DirtyDonald - whose buddy Ghouliani pals around with known
russkie agents...

Gronk
2020-10-10 04:31:11 UTC
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On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 13:16:40 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by M I Wakefield
Post by unknown
*Trump goes to jail after January, 2021 if he survives his Trump virus.*
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/donald-trump-criminal-case.html
Trump's legal problems in New York don't stop with Vance.
New York Attorney General Letitia James is dragging Eric Trump in on
Monday to testify about the Trump Organization in a civil matter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=36&v=UXA--dj2-CY&feature=emb_logo
Son of a bitch, NOT a smidgen of corruption...???
Note that getting the corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor fired was a policy
objective of the US, the EU, and the IMF, among others.
U.S. policy covers Hunter Biden's ass?
What does Hunter Biden's ass have to do with anything?
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
That must be nice to have that kind of "special status".
What status was needed?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-23/gop-tries-to-rekindle-hunter-biden-dispute-with-few-new-findings

The findings issued Wednesday by Senators Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, head
of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, and Chuck
Grassley of Iowa, chairman of the Finance Committee, into Hunter Biden’s
allegedly “extensive and complex financial transactions” don’t disclose
any impact on policy, or prove wrongdoing.
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